Lynette Fromme | Natural Order

Lynette Fromme, from the documentary 'Manson'.

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'Natural Order is not up for debate, it exists independent of our thinking and is as physical a reality as gravity''

- Lynette Fromme (Red)

A Prisoner of War: To Every Man That Has a Mind

Charles Manson being interviewed in handcuffs by the BBC in 1991. Manson used this platform to speak to the world, giving more information and insight then was generally common in interviews with media in the United States. The statement found in this interview and transcribed below regarding the Nuremberg trials in which 6000 German soldiers were hanged for obeying orders. Shortly after this interview Manson and others close to him cut off the media, rejecting all requests for interviews.  Please listen to 5:44 onward, his words spoken off the cuff ring true to the aware and defiant. 

''I want to say this to every man that has a mind, 


to all the intelligent life forms that exist on this planet Earth. 


I wish really to say this to the Scottish Rites, and the Masons and all the people with minds who have degrees of knowledge and are aware of courts, laws, United Nations, governments. 


In the Forties we had a war. And all of our economies went towards this war effort. The war ended, on one level, but we wouldn't let it end on the other levels. We kept buying and selling this war. I'm not locked in a penitentiary for crimes, I'm locked in the Second World War. I'm locked in the Second World War with this decision to bring to the world court, there must be one world court, or we're all going to be devoured by crime. Crime, and the definition of crime, comes from Nuremberg, when the judges decided that they wanted to call Second World War a crime. Honor and war is not a crime. When you go to war and you're a soldier and you fight for your god and your country, that's not criminal. That's honorable. That's what you must do to be a man. If you don't fight for your god and your country, you're not worth anything. If you have no honor, then you're not worth Patty's pig. Truth is, we've got to overturn the decision that you made in the Second World War, or the Second World War will never end. Decrees of the war were written in Switzerland, in Geneva, the conferences that were made, by the men at the tables, clearly stated that anyone in uniform would be given the respect of their rank and their uniforms. Then, when the United States won the war, and got all the Germans in handcuffs, they started breaking their own rules. And they've been breaking their own rules ever since. 


War is not a crime. But if you judge war as a crime, from a court room, then turn around. If two and three is five, then three and two is five. If you say war is a crime, then crime becomes your war. I am, by all standards, a prisoner of war. I have been a prisoner of war since 1944, in juvenile hall, for setting the school building on fire in Indianapolis, Indiana. I've been locked up 45 years trying to figure out how I got to be a criminal. It matters not whether I want to be.... You've got to keep criminals going to keep the war going because that's the economy. Your whole economy is based on war. You've got to get your dollar bills off the war, you got to take your silver markets sterling off the war. You've got to take your gold and your diamonds off the war. You've got to overturn that decision that hung six thousand men by the neck. You killed six thousand soldiers for obeying orders. That's wrong, and the world has got to accept they're wrong. If you accept you're wrong, and you say you're sorry for all the things you've done, then I'll be a note in that chord, and maybe we can get some harmony going on this planet earth now.'' - Charles Manson

Charles Manson, BBC Interview

 I'm not easily stirred, emotionally... But I could not watch this without feeling all this intensity in my soul. Some footage is just more powerful than others, in terms of what it communicates, and how it resonates. It's not exactly sadness or anger or anything one can so easily classify, though it is this and so much more. Words just fall short. It's the same thing I feel when I see a wild creature locked down in a cage, or how it would've felt to witness any good man or woman throughout the whole of human history be condemned to death by a court of infinite inferiors. 


We know in our hearts that it steals nothing from majesty, since that realm is greater than the transient rule of these petty, pitiful, lifeless accusers, but it's the strange, deeply pronounced feeling of being-in-time. Like, if you can't step back from the moment, it's so overwhelming, because we see ourselves in these words here and we see alikin in those shackles if ever there was. We know that we're the world he's communicating to, and not this tomb called society. We feel it, because we are it. It's here and we're there. There is no separation. It's not a new feeling, but it's just so hard to watch him in that kind of situation without tearing up... sensing his determination, in spite of all worldly frustrations... watching how this King can't even sweep his hair out of his eyes,for he sits with his hands chained.


 It is impossible not to consider how the average, low-intelligence viewer would interpret it all -- and knowing that this distorted vision is precisely how the crooked media-money-minds intended it. It's like nobility and innocence in a pillory. The nastiest devils sit gawking and throwing stones at harmonic projections of the Absolute. It's hard to watch without a shift in pulse, because in watching, you almost feel like audience to that crime, and we want nothing of it, and we want to intervene directly, and set our lives against that entire current. I can see where the X came from -- and I know why it grew angled rays. - Vitholf

ATWA | Children of Nature

God and Man

Let me tell you something that’s very important. If a man has a problem, and works all of his life on that problem….knowing that he cannot solve that problem, but he can move that problem a little further down the road…. And each time a man becomes a man, whatever that is, it hasn’t got anything to do with sexual preferences, it hasn’t got anything to do with what a guy wears, or how he talks or how strong he is.  It’s the mind of knowing in the truth of righteousness, and being able to analyze, the power of observation, to observe, and the realization that is… one Life: God.  And when God is realized in the man, it’s not a denomination or a story book.  It’s not an illusion or a game or a play.  It’s not for attention or approval.  It’s not for man.  It’s only for God that God is God.  God is not God for man.  God is God because God is everything that is, and there’s no man in it.  It’s eternal….Life…. it’s in the man.   And it says this, to my intelligence:  I’ve been a lifetime in a cell trying to figure this problem out.  Not trying, just automatically.  I can’t sleep without thinking. I can’t live without something beating in my chest or functioning in my soul and my life that says this:  There is only one way.   There can be no dissension. There can be no division; there can be no question about it. What is must be to be what is.  If life is going to be on this planet, it has to come in perfect order with the atmosphere it breathes.  If it doesn’t have that, then there is nothing else.  Everything must be sacrificed for one principle in one order, in one life, in one air, on one world, in one Earth, in one mind, that has nothing to do with human beings.  Human beings are the problem.   They’re the ones that are creating the decisions that are destroying the life on earth.  And all life will be lost on Earth if you don’t deal with the human problem.  Human is the problem, people are the problem.  The oil doesn’t hurt people. It’s the people that are maneuvering the oil that’s hurting people. 

You know when I say something, I mean what I say and I say what I mean.  I’m telling you, stop that goddamn fossil fuel or it will stop life on the planet Earth.  If you’re going to have air on this planet, you’ve got to change, or…. go.  One way or another, sooner or later, the Will of God will be realized on this planet.  It’s got nothing to do with how many websites you’ve got or how many people are reading your books or talking about what’s written on your t-shirt, or how long your hair is or whether you’re gonna be a friend with somebody or an enemy with someone else or…… All that human garbage goes back to the Pharaoh, -arrow, that shot off into the sun when the Pharaoh said that, “There is no one but God, and you do the Will of God or you do not exist.”  It goes back to the slaves, and you see that the slave is happy, and he welcomes his harness that pulls a wagon that’s going to pull him out of that fuckn’ fossil fuel, and put him back on the road to life. ATWA is the final equation, for the Pharaohs’ grave is the darkness of the prisons.  For eternity is within cockroaches, spiders, and bugs.

 I gave all mine to an old blind man who had fought all of his life, who gave his life and his sons lay in the graves of eternal life.  The Grateful Dead said, “Alcatraz was just a pelican standing on a mountain, looking at the ocean.”  The bird is God. We must work for the birds and all the different animals that are gods.  The Army?... look in the zoo,  for your General, and say that we know them animals are our gods, in our heads.  And get back to the planet as fast as we can, for air and water. And STOP CUTTING DOWN THE DAMN TREES for stupid things.  You’ve already got all them things, man.

 You know basically, the average person that don’t know anything, has to be working to do something. And all the jobs have already been put out in place by the dead.  What’s needed is, the CCC, the Conservation Corps of the world, must start new jobs and must be in new economies, with new credit cards and new banks and new numbers, to the conservation of all life on the planet.  We started the CCC in California, and it was given to the veterans with wheelchairs out of the wars. Those are realities that will help survival on the planet Earth, man. Sooner or later it’ll be realized.

- Charles Manson

  June, 2010